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	<title>Comments on: Who Would Jesus Torture?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.whistleandfish.com/2008/07/02/who-would-jesus-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;m with you, Harry. As a matter of fact when people ask where I stand politically I generally respond, &#8220;I&#8217;m a Radical Constitutionalist.&#8221;
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I follow with, &#8220;The Constitution isn&#8217;t perfect, but it&#8217;s better than anything we&#8217;ve tried yet.&#8221;
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I also try to be a &#8220;Christian&#8221; in the only way that Jesus would recognize, and try to learn and apply what he taught.
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I got a little jaded about a decade ago when I went to speak to my pastor (&lt;a href="http://www.intheyoke.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.intheyoke.com/&lt;/a&gt;) about my doubts about the canonization of the Bible and the resurrection of Jesus. I felt bad for the guy; I had more questions than he could answer.
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Finally he said, &#8220;Have you ever accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?&#8221;
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&#8220;Yes.&#8221;
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&#8220;Good, that&#8217;s good. Jesus is not afraid of your curiosity. Go, and know that He&#8217;ll be there and we&#8217;ll be here when you&#8217;re ready to come back.&#8221;
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He put his hand on my shoulder and lead me out of his office. I went home and told my wife that I wouldn&#8217;t be going to church with her anymore.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, Harry. As a matter of fact when people ask where I stand politically I generally respond, &#8220;I&#8217;m a Radical Constitutionalist.&#8221;
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I follow with, &#8220;The Constitution isn&#8217;t perfect, but it&#8217;s better than anything we&#8217;ve tried yet.&#8221;
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I also try to be a &#8220;Christian&#8221; in the only way that Jesus would recognize, and try to learn and apply what he taught.
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I got a little jaded about a decade ago when I went to speak to my pastor (<a href="http://www.intheyoke.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.intheyoke.com/</a>) about my doubts about the canonization of the Bible and the resurrection of Jesus. I felt bad for the guy; I had more questions than he could answer.
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Finally he said, &#8220;Have you ever accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?&#8221;
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&#8220;Yes.&#8221;
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&#8220;Good, that&#8217;s good. Jesus is not afraid of your curiosity. Go, and know that He&#8217;ll be there and we&#8217;ll be here when you&#8217;re ready to come back.&#8221;
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He put his hand on my shoulder and lead me out of his office. I went home and told my wife that I wouldn&#8217;t be going to church with her anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Haller</title>
		<link>http://www.whistleandfish.com/2008/07/02/who-would-jesus-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Haller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim: While I agree with both your points, as a Constitutionalist (and believing we should strictly honor treaties we have made with other nations) I can always hope for more.
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I will quote, in defense of the Sermon on the Mount, another portion of John&#8217;s gospel: &#8220;My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and &lt;i&gt;they follow me&lt;/i&gt;: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.&#8221; That whole believing equals a free pass thing has been debated since the beginning of Christendom, and I won&#8217;t step into the fray, though it does seem to me that obedience enters into the equation somewhere. Frankly, all that megachurch rah-rah Jesus stuff scares hell out of me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: While I agree with both your points, as a Constitutionalist (and believing we should strictly honor treaties we have made with other nations) I can always hope for more.
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I will quote, in defense of the Sermon on the Mount, another portion of John&#8217;s gospel: &#8220;My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and <i>they follow me</i>: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.&#8221; That whole believing equals a free pass thing has been debated since the beginning of Christendom, and I won&#8217;t step into the fray, though it does seem to me that obedience enters into the equation somewhere. Frankly, all that megachurch rah-rah Jesus stuff scares hell out of me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.whistleandfish.com/2008/07/02/who-would-jesus-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two fallacies:
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Fallacy #1:
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At the basest level, it is not important that Christians follow the simple teachings of Jesus. What is important is that they believe that Jesus died as a sacrifice for their sins and has risen (in the flesh) to sit at the side of God.
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So presenting anything from Matthew, Mark, or Luke is trumped by John 3:16 - &#8220;For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.&#8221;
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&#8220;What would Jesus do?&#8221; Who cares? say the masses.
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&#8216;nuff said.
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Fallacy #2:
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Torture and other travesties of human rights are anathema to the United States of America. Again, we give this lip service, just ask:
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--the original American Indians (and subsequent generations);
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--the African Negroes (and subsequent generations);
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--female citizens before suffrage;
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--the World War II residents of Dresden and Hiroshima and Nagasaki;
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--the torture victims of our Vietnamese and Korean allies (we taught, never participated *wink*);
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--the families and friends of the students of Kent State;
&lt;br /&gt;
--the Branch Davidians or Randy Weaver and his family;
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--the prisoners of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo (and other secret prisons of the War on Terror);
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--and others.
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The Colombians have nothing on us.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two fallacies:
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<p>
Fallacy #1:<br />
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At the basest level, it is not important that Christians follow the simple teachings of Jesus. What is important is that they believe that Jesus died as a sacrifice for their sins and has risen (in the flesh) to sit at the side of God.
</p>
<p>
So presenting anything from Matthew, Mark, or Luke is trumped by John 3:16 - &#8220;For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.&#8221;
</p>
<p>
&#8220;What would Jesus do?&#8221; Who cares? say the masses.
</p>
<p>
&#8216;nuff said.
</p>
<p>
Fallacy #2:<br />
<br />
Torture and other travesties of human rights are anathema to the United States of America. Again, we give this lip service, just ask:
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<p>&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the original American Indians (and subsequent generations);<br />
<br />&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the African Negroes (and subsequent generations);<br />
<br />&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;female citizens before suffrage;<br />
<br />&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the World War <span class="caps">II</span> residents of Dresden and Hiroshima and Nagasaki;<br />
<br />&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the torture victims of our Vietnamese and Korean allies (we taught, never participated *wink*);<br />
<br />&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the families and friends of the students of Kent State;<br />
<br />&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the Branch Davidians or Randy Weaver and his family;<br />
<br />&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;the prisoners of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo (and other secret prisons of the War on Terror);<br />
<br />&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;and others.
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The Colombians have nothing on us.</p>
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		<title>By: tammy</title>
		<link>http://www.whistleandfish.com/2008/07/02/who-would-jesus-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If we believe that Jesus said &#8220;for as much as you have done it unto the least of my brethren you have done it unto me&#8221;  and then  &#8220;Father, forgive them for they know not what they do&#8221; - what happens to all of us now that we know what we&#8217;ve done?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we believe that Jesus said &#8220;for as much as you have done it unto the least of my brethren you have done it unto me&#8221;  and then  &#8220;Father, forgive them for they know not what they do&#8221; - what happens to all of us now that we know what we&#8217;ve done?</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.whistleandfish.com/2008/07/02/who-would-jesus-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#8220;interferes with building an American empire&#8221;
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REALLY SHOULD READ
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&#8220;interferes with MAINTAINING THE American empire&#8221;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;interferes with building an American empire&#8221;<br />
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<span class="caps">REALLY</span> <span class="caps">SHOULD</span> <span class="caps">READ</span><br />
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&#8220;interferes with <span class="caps">MAINTAINING</span> <span class="caps">THE</span> American empire&#8221;</p>
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